Anna von Reitz had zich negatief uitgelaten over de Manna World Holding Trust en de positie van Kim. Daarbij erkent ze de Trust en de Trustee wel. Het Vaticaan en de Rothschilds zijn echter buiten spel gezet en degene die in dat kamp zaten, zijn uiteraard niet blij met de nieuwe veranderingen. Thomas heeft haar in de Truth, Honor & Integrity radio-uitzending van 16 februari uitgedaagd. Anna reageert in onderstaande brief op deze uitdagingen.
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 05:49 PM PST
By Anna Von Reitz
Finally, apparently some time after it was issued. I finally got a copy of Thomas of Manna Trust Fame’s “Challenge”. Why does it take days for this stuff to come across my desk? It’s the same with Karen Hudes. My email address is all over the internet, posted on my website, etc., etc., etc., —-and yet, nobody bothers to send these dumb accusations directly to me. It’s all rumors until someone has presence of mind (thank you, BTW) to copy and paste and actually bring the thing forward so that I CAN respond to it.
So here it is with my answers in brackets:
Show us the letters received back from the important people you say you are working or dealing with.
[How many thousands –nay, tens of thousands, of letters and phone calls and emails over how many decades would you like to see? I started this in 1998. And most of the time, as you no doubt know. the rats don’t reply or don’t reply directly, because the dead cannot speak to the living, however, also according to their rules, a non-reply is actually a reply, and proof of the mailing creates implied contract, so there you have it. Dead in the water on their part and only God knows how many communications on and off the public record there are bearing my name and my husband’s name. You bring your archives and I will bring mine and I will bet hard money that what you’ve put your name to will look like a very, very small pile compared to mine, which fills several rooms full of filings and court cases and correspondences.]
Show people your internet income earnings, like we have done
[In the first place, I have no “income”. Income is corporate profit accruals separated from capital, and I am not a corporation of any kind. In the second place, the few thousand dollars that people donate to the Living Law Firm every month is not “mine”. Not only do I rarely take anything from those funds, but I wind up supplementing anything I take with later donations to the effort of my own, so far from having any “internet income” from donations or from my books, the sum total for me has been in the red, read that as “negative profit” for years and years and years. So do you want to know how many thousands or dollars and years of my UNPAID time has been dedicated to this? I have never totaled up my losses. Too depressing to think about, so I don’t. But if I have Important People like you, who obviously haven’t suffered the same as I have, talking about “profit”, then good for you that you still have some profit to divulge. If pressed, I might make the effort to calculate my losses, but I prefer not to be pitied for sacrifices that I willingly made.]
Kim is a fraud but twice she asked to work with her, explain that.
[I didn’t say that Kim was a fraud—I confirmed that she was appointed Trustee of Manna World Holdings to the best of my knowledge. And yes, I also confirmed that she has had trouble with scam reports, which is obvious and all over the internet. I think you have a somewhat biased impression of actual roles here. Kim is supposed to release the trust assets back to the people and the countries to which the assets actually belong. I am one of those who have led the charge to force the exposure and liquidation of The Trust, most particularly, by laying claim to all the American assets that are owed to the actual American states and people of this country and ending the phony “abeyance” of our government. As such, she and I have to work together and it is begging the question of who is “asking” to get this done and who is responsible for doing it. I have asked her on two occasions to get off the fence and do what she is supposed to do— (1) Turn over the accounts that are owed directly to the actual American states and people so that we can restore the 3141 counties and 50 republican states to full function and (2) Rescue the hijacked Guadalupe Hidalgo Trust assets which were improperly traded instead of being disbursed to the actual Beneficiaries who had already WAITED for OVER 200 YEARS to receive any benefit at all. On both occasions, she “shined me on” and did nothing. So as far as I am concerned, none of this gets settled until she settles with the actual American Government and with the American Indian Nations. It should be her concern to get in contact with me and with Michael Young and do justice and work with us in that common cause.]
Kim and codes are bogus she says, yet her partner in the now appears rogue bank asked for the live codes from Kim, if both are bs why did they ask? explain that
[I didn’t say the codes were “bogus”— they are real enough, and they are part of an old, ugly, dishonest system of banking that needs to go away. So I guess there is a distinction to be made between whether they work in a practical sense, and whether or not they are honest and whether this whole situation should exist at all— which are two very different topics. There are plenty of things that are actual and factual— like bank codes and accounts— which have nonetheless been instruments of fraud in the past and which because of that fraud, should actually be null and void, even though we all have to continue working through that matrix until a real settlement can be reached.]
If she knew Kim and MWHT was a fraud as she NOW alleges, ignoring points 3 and 4, why wait until now when things are done? explain that
[This entire business, the very EXISTENCE of The Trust is based on fraud, racketeering, identity theft, kidnapping, unlawful conversion, enslavement, inland piracy—loathsome crimes against mankind. There’s no way to “dress that up” in a pretty dress and say that, oh, it’s okay, it’s all valid, somehow—just because there is a big pot of assets left over that the criminals have been astute enough to abandon. That does not mean that the assets aren’t real. It doesn’t mean that Manna Trust doesn’t exist. The fraudulent nature of all that underlies it and the need to focus on NOW and doing whatever justice can be done with the assets, is the topic I addressed and which you either got the “wrong impression” of or simply made wrong assumptions about.]
Anna wanted the inground resources via Hildago Treaty to her not the people, explain that.
[If you knew or studied the history of this country and its treaties as I have, you would know that the King of England retained the “in-ground” mineral resources as part of the negotiated peace at the end of the Revolutionary War and generation unto generation the pigs have taken their “tribute” in the form of our mineral wealth. So when it came time for severance for cause, the Queen attempted to sell off our minerals in the ground to the Chinese— a deal that I put my big, fat foot down on and objected to. So, that was not just an objection affecting the Guadalupe Hidalgo Trust, that was an objection affecting ALL the in-ground mineral wealth controlled by The United States of America. I suppose that I and my husband have become unavoidably associated with The United States of America in the same way that any Head of State is, and perhaps you heard someone gossiping about the in-ground mineral claims in terms of “Anna wanted the in-ground mineral resources” of the Hidalgo Trust because I objected to their sale and demanded their ownership be returned to The United States of America as part of the entire demand that ALL our in-ground mineral resources be returned to our states and our people. Did you expect me to stand still and let sharpies sell off our mineral wealth using the excuse that it belonged to the Queen after we sacked her administration for cause and Breach of Trust? Or sit here and let other entities claim one centimeter of our soil? Please note— the minerals are in soil. And whose soil is it? It belongs to the American states and people, dba, The United States of America (Unincorporated). So don’t “personalize” it as if I were objecting for my own little private self or as if I stood to gain anything from objecting; quite the contrary, all I received for my efforts were some nasty death threats from disappointed criminals and bullshit assumptions from ignoramuses.]
Anna says the money belongs to the people, and every show we have said the money will go back to the people, is she hard of hearing?
[ I trust that if anyone has read my comments about “the money” they now have a somewhat more enlightened view of what “money” is and is not. Money, unlike commercial script, has to have asset value in-and-of itself. So it is not just digits in a ledger it is gold, silver, platinum, etc., etc., My rather jaundiced view is that whether we are talking about “money” or talking about commercial script or digits, we are still talking about “symbols of value” and the only difference is actual money has commodity value and script and digits do not. Either way, the thing people need to think about is what money is. Is it possible to symbolize “value”? To put a price on a man’s time on Earth? On his life? On his culture? On his land? Really? I see the whole concept of money as idolatry and delusion and false values and simply changing from digits to paper to pieces of metal does not solve that problem. Mankind as a whole needs new answers, not just a reboot and redistribution of casino chips and false beliefs, but until we can all emerge on a new plane of thinking about “value” we will have to slog through a transition period and use these traditional baubles as a means of trade. And yes, all the people on this planet deserve to have all the baubles they need to thrive and survive until we all wake up from the Mass Delusion of Money once and for all.]
Anna never addressed any of the facts put forward last night in the show, about her, her cousin, her connections or affiliations, please explain that Ms. Ratzinger.
[Why, exactly, should I address things that don’t exist–? Once again, you make all sorts of lame-brained assumptions. My family name is “Reitzenstein” it comes from the Tyrol, a formerly German province now part of northernmost Italy. Reitzenstein is a physical place and my name “von Reitzenstein” means my ancestors represented that place in the German government. The name “Riezinger” is a name my Great-Grandfather made up as a pen name and adopted via court action in Bavaria in 1851. It is, obviously, as a made-up name, unrelated to the common Westphalian name “Reisinger” and it is also unrelated to the middle German lower nobility family name of Pope Benedict— “Ratzinger”. Way, way, way, way far back these names might have had a common root, and the Reitzensteins of the Tyrol, the Reisingers of Westphalia, and the Ratzingers of Ulm might have come from the same Celtic clan circa 1000 A.D., but I trust that even you will grant that is a sufficiently removed association from the current families and people alive today and that if I am in fact a “cousin” of the Pope, it isn’t in the sense of the word that people commonly think of. I might be such a “cousin” to half the people in Norway, too. And since I am not Roman Catholic and never was, I have nothing to say about any affiliation there, either. Ignorant people don’t know that there is a difference between the “Universal Catholic Church” and the “Roman Catholic Church”— but it is surely time that they woke to hell up and learned. If it takes a lightning bolt from heaven before they wake up and see even half of what is right in front of their faces, I wouldn’t be surprised at this point.]
The gist is Anna is coming across as one of the ego headed people who think they are the one to save the world, and only them, it is all about the glory of them and not we.
[If you are not here to “save the world” and yet you are responsible for making settlement, you’d better get on board and get with the program—which is precisely my point above. Kim should be working with the unincorporated national governments “of, for, and by” the people, not toadying up to Presidents of governmental services corporations that are bankrupt and in Breach of Trust and commercial contract. Trump is eligible and we bonded the actual public office for him, but he hasn’t accepted, so right now, he has no actual contract to represent the states and people of this country. So what is Kim doing trying to give our assets to the foreign governmental services providers that defrauded us and acted in Breach of Trust that landed our country in this mess in the first place? Duh?]
Neither Kim or I are seeking to be the one or the savior as laid out in several shows, that has become clear to all who have interacted with me and the show.
Whilst others talked, Kim delivered, all of them with their self appointed, self importance titles, be it a Judge, M1s, Chief Clan and Klan leaders, Chinese elders, Dragons, Archangels, Jesus, Mary, Zeus, Isis, Goddess this and Goddess that, what did they actually achieve? Their success rate is on a par with the RV crew – zero.
[What, exactly, has Kim “delivered”: to anyone so far? Where is the money I asked for to fund the 3141 local county jural assemblies that have to be organized to restore our lawful government? Where is the money to fund the badly needed education program to teach people the actual history of this world and this country? Where is the money for The Living Law Firm, to bring an end to the Foreclosure Mills that are decimating the lives of millions of American families under conditions of open fraud? Where are the resources to launch an honest banking system? Kim has known of our valid needs for over a year and has done NOTHING to fund any of these urgent NEEDS and she has for goddamn sure known how many trillions of dollars the American states and people are OWED. She also has eyes in her head and can presumably hit a few search engines and figure out that I am not related to the Pope, not Catholic, and didn’t ask for this unpaid and thankless “job” any more than she did. Again– uh-duh…!]
Anna as I have said has a lot to offer, but needs to drop the glory of Anna and her self importance, drop the white only group SS, get off her high horse, and come and actually be apart of the all, to fix things on this planet.
[Since my husband’s family has been fighting this fight since 1868, and been on the run since Theodore Roosevelt threatened to kill them all in 1906, it strikes me that the Newcomers however talented they may be, need to get off of their “high horse” and come talk to those who have fought and bled and fled for their lives and picked shit with the chickens and lived like outlaws in their own country and devoted their lives to freeing it against all odds and reason, in the face of open death threats for six generations—–and come to our table to discuss and be part of the solution instead of assuming that money is all that matters on Earth or in Heaven. If money had anything to do with our devotion to this particular cause we would have given up a long, long time ago. So don’t think we are going to come begging for what is ours. You are going to yield up what is owed to The United States of America, to the actual states and people. Or there will be no settlement.]
This is what this group is all about, no one more important than the next, creating leaders to lead, not rule over others.
So, what is it to be Anna, the new way of us and we, or the failed model continuation of me and I?
[“New model” my ass! What is new about giving everyone casino chips made of gold, so they can play in your stacked gambling house? All this “caring and sharing”? It wouldn’t be happening, except that some of us got our tails in a twist and exposed this whole gigantic fraud and demanded the liquidation of The Trust. And who do you think did that? Who do you think brought the Bills of Lading to do that? It was me and my husband! Wake to hell up! The records are clear and you have access to them. So either you are liars and cheats and thieves in sheep’s clothing, like all the rest of the Pretenders so far, or you are being unaccountably obtuse about the facts that led to The Trust being turned over to Kim for liquidation in the first place.]
A world of caring and sharing, with compassion for all, and a love for all, a concept so simple and yet it bamboozles many, time for real change is now, as the old model never worked and has clearly failed.
Be the change.
[We have already been “the change”. You are a result of that change. ]
In antwoord op deze wederzijdse beschuldigingen en zwartmakerijen heb ik binnen de MeWe-pagina van de TH&I-group het volgende bericht geplaatst:
My response to the letter of Anna von Reitz.
Since Anna worked with Kim in the past, it is great that she confirms the existence of the Manna World Holding Trust (MWHT) and that Kim is the Trustee. Her criticism is primarily based on the he fact that the MWHT elaborates on a system that is unjust in it’s core.
I think we all agree that our current financial and legal system has come about through trickery to rob us from our land, resources and freedom. Money is a control tool to suppress humanity. A different model of society like the open source economy like the Venus Project proposes, would be a much better option.
So the question is: how do we get from A to B? The most important thing is that we get liberated from a system in which we have become entangled. When the MWHT and granting sovereignty is the way to circumvent the current system to achieve real freedom, then this is something we can only applaud.
Anna von Reitz as a legal expert possesses a wealth of knowledge and I do not doubt that she might be right in many of her claims and letters. Other organisations who rely on Common Law and Natural Law, like the ITCCS and the National Liberty Alliance can be right on paper, but it has no value at all, if the legal claims can not be enforced.
Because Kim is currently the only one in the possession of the banking codes, as the sole Trustee of the MWHT, she holds a powerful ‘weapon’ to put pressure on governments to incorporate the desired changes. Access to the accounts can be used as an enforcement, because money is for many people in power positions currently the only ‘language’ they understand or respect.
On another note, I feel that the blaming and shaming of others is not the way forward. These quarrels in the alternative / Truth Community / Freedom Movement needs to stop. I do not care who started first. It is an energy sucking form of distraction that keeps us away from more important tasks. Substantiated discussions are fine, as long as they lead to something, but I truly hope that the accusations and blacksmithing will stop. No more disclosures or unmasking of people, but rather a focus on solutions or reasoning why solutions or critique by others do not work.
We have a huge task ahead of us to create our New World as WE see it. A New World in our image, not the fascist NWO as the Cabal liked to have it. Many systems require a revision. The legal and financial system urgently need to be revised. Collaboration will be crucial in moving forward. Criticism is not the way to get people on board.
We need to shift our focus from our differences of opinion to our mutual interests. The interest to create a more just world, where resources are distributed and accessible in a fair way, where people can live in health, safety and freedom, requires us all moving in the same direction.